How PR Makes a Manager's Life Easier

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How PR Makes a Manager's Life Easier

By: Robert A. Kelly

Things are pleasant for many business, non-profit or association managers when their public relations people deliver newspaper and talk show mentions, informative brochures and videos, and special events that attract a lot of people.

But things could be much more pleasant for those managers if their PR teams were to deliver the kind of behavior change among their key outside audiences that leads directly to achieving their managerial objectives. And, by so doing, persuade their most important outside audiences to their way of thinking, moving those folks to take actions that help the managers' department, division or subsidiary succeed.

Put another way, the question managers really face is this: are you simply looking for publicity, or a way to do something positive about the behaviors of those external audiences of yours that MOST affect your organization?

Before you answer that, here are two realities you might want to keep in mind: 1) the right PR really CAN alter individual perception and lead to changed behaviors that help you succeed, and 2), your public relations effort must involve more than good times, booklets and press releases if you really want to get your money's worth.

For example, people really do act on their own perception of the facts before them, which leads to predictable behaviors about which something can be done. When we create, change or reinforce that opinion by reaching, persuading and moving- to-desired-action the very people whose behaviors affect the organization the most, the public relations mission is accomplished.

There's no end to the results that recipe can generate: prospects starting to work with you; customers making repeat purchases; stronger relationships with the educational, labor, financial and healthcare communities; improved relations with government agencies and legislative bodies, and even capital givers or specifying sources looking your way

Once this approach takes hold, you could even see results such as new proposals for strategic alliances and joint ventures; rebounds in showroom visits; membership applications on the rise; community service and sponsorship opportunities; enhanced activist group relations, and expanded feedback channels, not to mention new thoughtleader and special event contacts.

That's a fair amount of results from even a high-impact blueprint like this one. Which means your PR crew - agency or staff - must be committed to you, as the senior project manager, and to your PR blueprint starting with target audience perception monitoring.

We can agree that it's crucially important that your most important outside audiences really perceive your operations, products or services in a positive light. So assure yourself that your PR staff buys this approach. And be especially careful that they accept the reality that perceptions almost always lead to behaviors that can help or hurt your unit.

Go over the blueprint with the whole PR group, especially the plan for monitoring and gathering perceptions by questioning members of your most important outside audiences. Questions along these lines: how much do you know about our organization? How much do you know about our services or products and employees? Have you had prior contact with us and were you pleased with the interchange? Have you experienced problems with our people or procedures?

If there's enough money in the bank, you can probably afford professional survey people to handle the perception monitoring phases of your program. If not, always remember that your PR people are also in the perception and behavior business and can pursue the same objective: identify untruths, false assumptions, unfounded rumors, inaccuracies, misconceptions and any other negative perception that might translate into behaviors you won't like one little bit.

Now you'll need a public relations goal, one that speaks to the aberrations that showed up during your key audience perception monitoring. In all likelihood, it will call for straightening out that dangerous misconception, or correcting that gross inaccuracy, or doing something about that ugly rumor.

As day follows night, you'll now need a strategy that shows you how to reach your new goal. You have three strategic choices when it comes to handling perception or opinion challenges: create perception where there may be none, change the perception, or reinforce it. As always, a bad strategy pick will taste like flapjack syrup on your swordfish, so be certain the new strategy fits well with your new public relations goal. For example, you don't want to select "change" when the facts dictate a "reinforce" strategy.

As you might expect, persuading an audience to your way of thinking is just plain hard work, so your PR team must come up with some darn effective language. Words that correct the original aberation and, at the same time, are compelling, persuasive and believable AND clear and factual. You have little choice if you are to correct a perception by attracting opinion to your point of view, leading to the desired behaviors.

Working with your communications specialists, review your final draft message for impact and persuasiveness. Only then can you select the communications tactics most likely to carry your words to the attention of your target audience. You can pick from dozens that are available. From speeches, facility tours, emails and brochures to consumer briefings, media interviews, newsletters, personal meetings and many others. But be sure that the tactics you pick are known to reach folks just like your audience members.

Occasionally, the credibility of a message can depend on how it's delivered. So, on the chance that may be true, you might want to introduce it to smaller groups rather than using higher-profile tactics such as news releases or talk show appearances.

Calls for a progress report will prompt you and your PR folks to consider returning to the field for a second perception monitoring session with members of your external audience. Using many of the same questions used in the first benchmark session, you'll now be alert for signs that the bad news perception is being altered in your direction.

If you feel the need to move things along at a faster clip, you can always accelerate the effort with more communications tactics and increased frequencies.

Truth is, "happy times are always here again" for the manager who achieves the kind of key stakeholder behavior change that leads directly to achieving his or her department, division or subsidiary objectives.


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About The Author

Bob Kelly counsels, writes and speaks to business, non-profit and association managers about using the fundamental premise of public relations to achieve their operating objectives. He has been DPR, Pepsi-Cola Co.; AGM-PR, Texaco Inc.; VP-PR, Olin Corp.; VP-PR, Newport News Shipbuilding & Drydock Co.; director of communi- cations, U.S. Department of the Interior, and deputy assistant press secretary, The White House. He holds a bachelor of science degree from Columbia University, major in public relations.



atomicfrog81 25.08.2006. 00:54

What do you like and dislike about your Public Relations career? Hello! I graduated in Dec. '05 with a BS degree in Communications with an emphasis in broadcast journalism. I don't want to go into a broadcasting job, but I got so far along in my degree I just finished it to have it. I'm now considering the idea of going back to school and getting a master's in PR to make myself marketable in the corporate world. My problems with PR are that I have never liked the idea of manipulating the public. PR always appeared to be a rather sleazey idea (no offense intended) I think that if I worked for a non-profit, a school system or a hospital, it would be easier to deal with and more fullfilling to me. Does anybody here presently or formerly work in Public Relations? What is a typical day like? Do you like it/hate it and why? If you left, why did you leave and what are you doing now? Sorry for the loaded question.
Do you look at PR in a negative light as a profession?


Admin 25.08.2006. 00:54

This is one of the best careers. Read this:

Career: Public Relations

A Day in the Life

A public relations specialist is an image shaper. Their job is to generate positive publicity for their client and enhance their reputation. The client can be a company, an individual or a government. In the government PR people are called press secretaries. They keep the public informed about the activity of government agencies, explain policy, and manage political campaigns. Public relations people working for a company may handle consumer relations, or the relationship between parts of the company such as the managers and employees, or different branch offices. Though the job often involves the dissemination of information, some view this cynically as "spin doctoring." There is an old saying about PR that 'Advertisers lie about the product. Public relations people lie about the company.' Regardless, the successful PR person must be a good communicator-in print, in person and on the phone. They cultivate and maintain contacts with journalists, set up speaking engagements, write executive speeches and annual reports, respond to inquiries and speak directly to the press on behalf of their client. They must keep lines of communication open between the many groups affected by a company's product and policies: consumers, shareholders, employees, and the managing body. Public relations people also write press releases and may be involved in producing sales or marketing material. Public relations is a good career for the generalist. A PR person must keep abreast of current events and be well versed in pop culture to understand what stories will get the publics' attention. It takes a combination of analysis and creative problem solving to get your client in the public eye. The content of the work is constantly changing and unforeseen challenges arise every day. As one public relations person explained, "In addition to the standard duties, a PR person might have to shepherd an alcoholic and half-mad (but brilliant) author through a twenty-city interview tour or try to put a warm 'n fuzzy spin on the company's latest oil-spill."

Paying Your Dues

Though some colleges offer a degree in public relations, most industry professionals agree it's unnecessary. Since public relations requires familiarity with a wide variety of topics, a broad education is the best preparation. Any major that teaches you how to read and write intelligently will lay good foundation for a career in public relations. Or, as one PR person put it "if you can write a thesis on Dante, you should be able to write a press release." Internships are a common way to get some practical experience and break into the field.

Associated Careers

Because public relations people work so closely with the media there is often a great deal of exchange between these fields. Many PR people become journalists to exercise more creativity; a number of journalists turn to public relations for better money. PR people also often go into marketing, particularly at the more senior levels.


nova_queen_28 22.08.2006. 21:46

Anyone go from corporate world to teaching? I am contemplating switching from corporate Finance to becoming a teacher. Has anyone had a similar career change? your thoughts? Advice? Pros/Cons?


Admin 22.08.2006. 21:46

I made the switch. I was a PR manager in some top companies in the financial services industry in NJ/NYC. I had the glamorous life of world travel and awesome expense accounts -- not to mention high salary and 80-hour work weeks.

However, when I moved to teaching I found a few things. First, it is important to get a REALLY good teaching prep program. You will need to learn what you need to be an effective teacher. Also, the best districts hire from the best teacher prep programs. Your grades have to be top-notched to get into the good districts. This is doable, but be sure to do it :)

Second, teaching is NOT easier than corporate life. All your stress is piled into 10 months at a rate that is probably higher than in corporate life. You have deadlines throughout the day -- when the kids show up, you have to teach the lesson and have the work prepared. It is not like a deadline you can push back. Also, teaching is not just read out of the teacher's manual. There are concepts you'll learn called pedagogy and academic standards (apologies if you already know this). You have to create meaningful, results-oriented lessons.

Finally, the VAST experiences you may have had are not well-respected in the academic community. Here, the lingua franca is how much teaching experience you have had -- not how much corporate experience you have had. having said that, my corporate experience has helped me in many ways in the classroom. However, it has also made me impatient with the rather slow process and sometimes ineptitude among academic administrators.

Still, I feel good about the career change because you really make a POSITIVE impact on the lives of children. Some of the best folks you'll deal with are the kids. Some of the worst are co-workers and parents (although some are really great, too!!).

Bring your professionalism and preparation to the classroom and you'll be able to have a nice career really helping young people. Plus, the two months int he summer is AWESOME!


Michael 06.10.2011. 22:53

Have you ever hated your high school years? I'm 21 I graduated three years ago and was lucky to have survived I feel what Harris and Klebold felt but unlike them I didn't kill anybody even though I hated everyone there even my teachers I was bullied horribly and I'm nearly deaf after a failed suicide attempt have you had this feeling (I still hate those people for what they put me through)


Admin 06.10.2011. 22:53

I didn't quite love, held up high my high school years either. I'm 29, getting quite a bit older, currently deaf after 3-4 months of almost near complete hearing loss. I have struggled so much in my life, endured so much BS, and lost many jobs because of employers' refusal to allow me a chance and for firing me in unexpected circumstances that just won't work in their favor.

I haven't been bullied in high school but I have been a complete a** in my last year of high school. It's as if I remember those I have hurt before. I did those things because I felt the need to vent my frustrations, anger, and grudges from the past. Needless to say, it did not remedy what I had done and I'm sure I have fewer friends than other people may think.

My frustrations I vented out was because I was bullied when I was young, punished for deeds I did not commit, and ended up more punished. It was until a year that things changed, the two bullies kept lying and eventually I was freed from that place to go back to my parents. I grew up but life wasn't easy. It was very difficult. I was lazy, played too much games, didn't place general emphasis on my education and didn't straightaway attend and graduate from college all at once in order to make more $$$.

Though I may not like my high school years that well, I still can remember those people I did hurt by being an a**hole. However, I do know that I have lost job after job (for some, terminated for the right reasons) because either I was deaf, very professionally strict, or wouldn't give my female boss the time or day to have "sex". I also got fired once for being a bum on the streets, no support from family, and my boss sent his "lackey" (or assistant manager) to do the "dirty work" of terminating me.

Just remember that though you are nearly deaf, your life will become a struggle just like me. You'll be oppressed throughout, ridiculed and mocked, made fun of and pushed around. You will also have bosses asking you for sexual favors if you're deaf, handsome, and someone who hasn't known a woman. You will also get fired if you stand up for your morals, insist that you are a professional working the industry, and/or for some strange reasons. You will also have girls turning you down because they have no "need" to talk, nor date any deaf person. Some will but that's because unique circumstances were set.

Keep your chin up high, fight the fight, and ensure that you will grow up to prove to those people you are worth more than any jacka**, bully, a**hole, retard, idiot, jaded pr*cks. When your time of success comes, it will come rolling again and again. They'll stand by, their jaws agape, saying, "I can't believe it! He's doing that! Again.... and again.... and again....." They'll weep, bawl their eyeballs out, tear their hair right out in frustration. Picture them that way when you dream of being successful, living the life you want. Trust me, you'll suffer for ten years or so but once you're there, these high school simpletons will prove to you they are just trash being ready to get taken out to the bin by someone better... you.

Good luck because life will not be that easy.


sk8rchick42023 29.12.2008. 20:11

I need Help from all PR Managers and Publicist!!? I'm studying PR w/a minor in film and media studies..I was just wondering if any1 can giv me some general info on wat a day in the life of a PR Manager or a Publicist is like bc those r the 2 jobs that hav been really interestin me lately..i wnt to kno what r some of the things that you/they do..what are there hrs like...things like that


Admin 29.12.2008. 20:11

PR with minor in film and media studies. I suppose you could be doing lots of stuff, but you'll be most suitable as PR manager / publicist for the artists, models and the like.

Your day? It'll start early. You'll have to know what's going on before anybody else so that you can prepare for your day. That means reading major newspapers, getting to know whats going on in the field that your clients are in. By clients, I mean the people you are doing PR for. Of course, you might be the PR Executive / Officer / Assistant in a company, and you'll be handling Publicity / Public Relations for just that one organization. This doesn't mean you have less things to do. It just means that you do all of it for one "client", your company. Everything else still applies. You'll need to watch the news, early morning and evening, and catch breaking news as well. Its good that there's internet and CNN, coz it means you can be on top of things easier, but you do need to make sure you have your fingers on the pulse of your field. That is, if you want to be any good at it.

You'll deal with a lot of people outside your organization. This includes advertising people, reporters, newspaper / magazine editors, event organizers etc etc. People will try to sell you ad space, ad ideas, themselves, their company, their services etc etc. You'll need to follow up and check up on all that needs to be done (these people are NOT working for you or your company directly, and they have LOTS of other priorities that might conflict with yours and your company's). You'll need to pay attention to every detail, be incredibly organized, a master problem solver and, better still, a master problem preventer.

You'll have to learn what to say and what not to say, and how to say things so that your company is always represented in a good light.

The first thing you need to do when you start the job is find out what crisis policies are existing in the company. In case something goes terribly wrong (like... Enron) how are things supposed to be handled. What is confidential and what is the image that your company wants to project to the public.

You'll need to look like a million bucks on MUCH less than that ;-). Dress well, look good, speak well, even if you've just spent 48 hours without sleep running from one appointment to the next. You'll need to learn to be pleasant, even to people you absolutely detest. You need to be positive and upbeat, show confidence at all times, project a caring attitude... show all the good things and hide all the bad things. No company, no human being is perfect, but, from where you're standing, in your position, you'll need to project as close to perfection as possible.

To survive, build a network of useful contacts and DON'T EVER EVER LOSE THEM. What are useful contacts? Anyone, anyone at all who can help you in your work. Getting useful contacts is one thing, thats easy compared to maintaining them. That means that you need to build good rapport, make sure your contacts remember who you are, that they like you and are willing to do you the odd favor. You need to know them and have them owe you favors, so that they can repay those favors when you need them to. You'll need to remember birthdays, attend weddings or baby showers, dinners, nights out... all sorts of stuff. You can't get plastered, you're still working even at 3 a.m. walking out of a disco / bar with your useful contact. Never show them anything that would make them disrespect you. Which means that you need to know how to earn and retain their respect.

Its a lot. Don't hope that this will be a desk job. It won't. You might find that you don't have a life, but eventually, if you work at it, you'll be able to merge your work and your life -- provided you have supportive family and friends who understand your work and are willing to go the extra mile with you. In the beginning it might not even pay well, or, it might seem that no amount of income is worth the kind of hours and energy that you have to put in to make it work. However, if you do it well, and you do it for long enough, you can be someone in the industry. People will know you and greet you in airports, you'll get invited to charity dinners and other worthy events. Your worth can transcend any company that you work for, and you can eventually be your own person, with your own company if you want to, work freelance or work from home or any number of options.


NONAME 14.01.2010. 04:18

If I one day move to Japan will I regret it? I'm 15 (as of now) and I'm thinking about my Future, I decided I don't want to be one of those people stuck in a Boring town wondering what might have been (I live in Oklahoma by the Way). let me just ask if is somehow moved to Japan would I regret it? For those who have been there is it a very nice country? Also I'm wanting to live in the town of Niseko (???) for those who have been there, how nice is it? I don't know what to do, i'm just realizing that I'm growing up and I need to figure out what i should do with my life.

(Also I heard that Japan isn't a imagrant country and it's hard for people to move there, is their any kind of loophole?)


Admin 14.01.2010. 04:18

Whether you enjoy Japan or not will depend on your choices, your job, etc. There is no law in Japan that explicitly prevents immigration. It is difficult to immigrate, but if you can land a job and keep it, it is only a matter of time before you can get better visas, and maybe PR and citizenship after a decade or so.

That said, I know that being "stuck in Boring town" sucks, but then, so does being a cookie cutter English teacher in Japan. Many EFL teachers think they are being "non-conformist," but the truth is that I have never seen a more conformist group of people in my life. Almost all EFL teachers are white, have a bachelor's degree, teach screaming, brat kids at the exact same time of day (afternoons and evenings), make exactly the same amount of money (250K yen a month), and do exactly the same things on the weekends (get drunk and hang out with other lame English teachers).

When you're an English teacher in Japan, people are about as impressed as when you say "I'm a PE teacher" in the US. In fact, I'd argue that an American PE teacher holds more respect than an EFL teacher in Japan -- at least a PE teacher has a teacher's license! Perhaps an English teacher's social status in Japan is closer to a McDonald's general manager or a neighborhood karate instructor.

As a result of lack of respect for EFL teachers, you can expect parents to complain frequently, expect to be reprimanded by your director right in front of your classes, and expect to be replaced whenever they feel they can get someone slightly better.

If you want to enjoy your Japan experience, work hard, learn Japanese, and get a job that isn't teaching (unless teaching is really your passion -- it sure isn't mine).

Some people move to Japan and never come back because they love it so much. I've met a total of five permanent residents in Japan, so immigration is possible, just not easy.

Research the visa types and requirements and figure out what you're allowed to do, and find out the individual job requirements. This goes for immigrating to any country.

This business of "Japan isn't an [immigrant] country" is false. There are many immigrants in Japan -- over 900,000 Zainichi Koreans, a similarly high number of Chinese immigrants, tens of thousands of Americans, and a smattering of other nationalities. There is no law in Japan that specifically prohibits immigration across the board. Permanent residency takes 10 years, which is a very long time (and most people leave before they've been there 10 continuous years), but completely possible. If you move there when you're 22 and start working, you could have PR by the time you're 32 and have the legal right to live in Japan for the rest of your life. Or you can naturalize after five years as a Japanese citizen.

There is some institutional racism in Japan (the government, the laws, etc.) but there are ways to live there if you're willing to work very hard for it.

Get a bachelor's degree in a USEFUL subject, preferably one that teaches you an important job skill (e.g. not a humanities subject -- something like computer science, IT, engineering, etc. is much more marketable), learn Japanese to at least a semi-advanced level (JLPT N2 or above), and your shot at getting a decent job in Japan and being able to live there long enough to claim PR or citizenship will increase exponentially.

And don't focus on one town. You may arrive in Niseko and find there are no jobs for foreigners there. Keep an open mind regarding what part of the country you go to, and try to locate yourself near a major city. There are always some jobs that need doing in the major cities.


pea in a pod 04.01.2011. 07:56

I need serious advice because I feel like giving up? Background: I turned 20, live on my own with a roommate because I left my Islamic parent's home due to abuse/them wanting me to drop out. My scholarship is running out and I've started taking out student loans. I have been working 2-3 jobs since I started college, and I lost my business job that paid enough to cover my bills - due to the economy. Now I have one job left, that barely pays much.

Question 1: Should I go back to my parent's home? I cut off all connections bcz I was near suicide but life is so hard, I feel like giving up. My friends/bf are so supportive of me mentally it makes me want to cry bcz I wish my family treated me that way.

Question 2: I am a Communications major at the junior level. Should I take out more student loans and become a Marketing major, too? I'd have to take an extra year of classes. What's better job-wise? Right now I'm minoring in Marketing and getting a PR Certification.

Question 3: I got slapped with an over $3,000 medical bill because I lost my Medicaid for awhile, now it's reinstated. I tried to be responsible, didn't splurge and paid for oral surgery out of pocket. Now I get this bill. Because I did well this semester, I bought myself a TV, a Nintendo Wii and a Wii Fit Plus so I could get in shape. Should I return these items?

pea in a pod

Admin 04.01.2011. 07:56

Hey, there! You sound like a very bright woman so that should make it easier on you :) Answer 1: That's a tough one actually.You shouldn't go back to a home that abuses you and wants to put down your education. Being abused puts too much emotional stress on a person which in turn, affects everything else in their life. So you did well to leave before you couldn't take it anymore. Also, you need to be around people who will support your dreams, and if your parents were hindering you from those dreams, again, it was good that you left. So in short, no, don't go back. Answer 2: I'm sure you already did the math on this but just to make sure... When people take out student loans they know (hopefully) that their future profession will provide enough money to pay back the loan and then some. So to answer that question, you should visit and weigh those out to see if it's even worth it! And having another major never hurt anyone! :) Answer 3: I'm sorry to hear about this one. Only if you can't make rent or enough for food this month I would say to return them, otherwise, enjoy! Best of luck to you and DON'T ever give up. Once you work hard and get through it all, you will surely reap the amazing benefits and live a comfortable rewarding life. :D


M&M luver! 15.09.2012. 15:35

So you can't really major in community service in college...? When people ask most of my friends what they want to be when they grow up they say a doctor or a teacher but when I'm asked that question the easiest way for me to give an answer is by saying "I'd like to spend my life with organizations like the peace corps." But you can't really major in community service in college.
I've heard a little about civic engagement but I was just wondering if there were any options for kids like me who are interested in learning about the world so that we can make a difference in it with service.

Thanks :)

M&M luver!

Admin 15.09.2012. 15:35

The reason there's no such major is there are many, many types of community service.

A doctor who volunteers with Doctors Without Borders went to med school. A nurse with the same outfit went to nursing school. The pilot flying the helicopter they're traveling in went to flight school.

And none of those people gets a paycheck; they are all on "working vacations" where they pay their own way and then return to their real jobs.

You can work doing community service, too, of course. But it's the same thing. I work with Lutheran Disaster Relief a lot. There are PR people, administrative people, project managers, construction managers -- and that's just who I've met so far. It's a big corporation, so they have ALL types of jobs available.

Which one is for you? That's what you need to think about. Not majoring in "community service," but majoring in something that interests you and fits your skills so that you can then find a job in whatever you might consider to be "community service."

If you want to get involved in helping, start now. Civic engagement is working in your community.

Also, what the poster said about Peace Corps is pretty true. It's not a career. You don't spend your life there, and the volunteers also do varied things, like create marketing plans, provide technical advice on preventing AIDS, empowering youth and children and studying deforestation. There's no one major that fits.

If you *worked* at Peace Corps, it's the same. There are country directors, information management specialists, placement officers, a bunch of office people, etc. And they aren't allowed to stay there more than five years at a stretch.


Jen N 28.10.2010. 12:15

Over medicating children, are these unethical practices? Yesterday during a discussion with a coworker it came up that during her semi-messy divorce she was forced to take her then 6 year old son for a psychological evaluation. She said that she is not exaggerating when she says that the doctor didn't spend more than 15 min "evaluating" her son before writing several prescriptions for her son because he had ADD. He was ticking off side effects, telling her that he would be often sleepy and would loose his appetite and may loose weight (he was and is a slim boy). She never had them filled and never returned. I've known this boy all his life and would have never thought he could be diagnosed this, he's a good little boy who plays wonderfully with others, is sensitive and well behaved. What could possibly be the motivation to drug kids so eagerly?

This has all come up because of a requirement of my daughters (5yrs) private school of a psychological evaluation of all students. A Psychologist will be provided by the school at a cost of $125. You are not required to use theirs, but it is easier to. Being as you wouldn't have to take a day off work, and neither would your child have to miss school. Plus the appointment is scheduled for your convenience which is almost impossible to get here where we live (i'm serious, appointments here are made for a day and you have to wait for your name to be called. No hourly appointments at doctors offices in PR). I am questioning the legitimacy of a onetime appointment with a child of 5 years coming up with anything. What possibly could be determined other than getting the money from your wallet. I'm looking for some serious professional opinions. Thanks.
Ya living in reality here. Full time job required to feed my family.
Any doctor that tried to convince me my kid needed to be medicated would be choking on the prescription, and I would need to be medicated as they cart me away in the padded wagon! Hell will freez first people. Glad to see so many parents agree. And yes I thought that doc was a quack too! I'm glad my friend wasn't impressed with his degree and saw him for what he was.

I also agree with not running to docs with every problem.

Thanks everyone for some great answers!

Jen N

Admin 28.10.2010. 12:15

Having worked as an office manager for a psychiatrist for 3 years I can tell you the following. He did NOT receive "kickbacks" from the drug companies unless you considered pens, paper, and the occasional box of cookies bribes! :) When he first evaluated a new patient it was a MINIMUM of 1 hour. Then he rarely if ever put a firm diagnosis down until 2-3 appointments later. He did prescribe medication based on the patients symptoms-according to what the patient SAYS are the problems they are dealing with in life-loss of energy, depression, inability to stay focused, etc. No one ever came in and said I think I have ADD/ADHD I need such and such drug. That would never fly with him. He had a set of standard questions he would ask. He would watch how the patient reacted to the questions and he would then talk to the family members separately.

I think this psychiatrist you are speaking of is a quack and I would never get those scripts filled either. As far as a mandatory psych eval...that's iffy. It seems that many employers are demanding these now a days (in the US), so it was only a matter of time for school to do it too. I don't think it's a bad idea, but don't think it's a good idea either. Are they going to kick your child out if they don't "pass" the test? Is that going to be in their permanent record and every teacher from here on out is going to read it and make an assumption of your child before even meeting her? That's GROSSLY unfair.


standing_on_ham 26.06.2008. 17:57

jonas i love the jonas brothers. they inspire me and i love their way of life and music. but there is one other thing. I think joe is "the one" i no it sounds crazy. i wish i had met him before he was JOE JONAS. I would love to get to no him on a personal level but it is so hard. he is looking for love and i am right here. i just wish it were easier. i like him b/c he seems sweet, funny, ccaring, loving, romantic, thoughtful and a tootal dork. i wish i could explain to u howi feel. I guess i am looking for ways to meet him and or wut eve.
okay thanks to u guys who supported me but some of u r just being rude. one of you said i want to be with him to. okay i am a fan but i ti=hink u r obsessed. i ;am not. he is jsut a normal person. with feelings. he just happens to be in the hearts of all of us, i reallt feel different if only i could explain.


Admin 26.06.2008. 17:57

if you really want to meet him you should spend whatever you have to, to get front row tickets to one of their concerts. (if you do manage to get those tickets then do NOT make jonas brothers signs or shirts or anything that would make it seem like your an obsessive fan) hopefully joe will see you and like you enough to try to meet you. (trust me. its happened with other bands.)

also stay as long as you can after the concert to try and meet joe. sometimes bands are nice enough to let the people, who stay for a while after the concerts, to hang out with them. although if you plan on doing this, i would suggest bringing your make up and deodorant in a purse so that after the concert you can do some quick touch ups, because concerts tend to be hot and can sometimes make you sweaty. (if your actually sitting in a seat, though, you probably wont get that sweaty)

sometimes they have meet and greets before or after their concerts, so you should definitely go to one of those.

also try and search around for backstage passes. you should try contacting their manager or something and see if it would be possible to buy a pass from them.

do you have any acting or singing skills? if you do then try getting an agent and going to auditions for a Disney Channel movie or show. if you get the part then you will, most likely, get the chance to meet, and probably become friends with, joe jonas.

i heard they live in New Jersey, so do you live there too? if you do and you know where their house is and its close enough to you, then maybe you can ride by their house on your bicycle/skateboard/scooter every once in a while when they're home. it seems stalker-ish, but if he likes you, or even if he thinks your creepy, he may come out and try to talk to you.

if you do get to meet joe, i dont recommend telling him that you feel that he is "the one".

good luck!

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