What Many PR Users Ignore

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What Many PR Users Ignore

By: Robert A. Kelly

Simply that the behaviors of their most important outside audiences rank pretty low on their list of things to worry about. And this despite the reality that, properly cared for, those behaviors can affect whether or not those managers achieve their managerial objectives.

Unfortunately, many business, non-profit and association public relations budgets are used pretty much to produce newspaper and radio mentions, or to fund somebody's favorite special event. And this at a time when they should be driving an action plan that persuades those key external stakeholders to the PR user's way of thinking, then moves those audiences to take actions that help departments, divisions or subsidiaries succeed.

After all, since that's public relations' strongest suit, shouldn't you be getting that first, THEN incremental publicity exposure?

Run this idea by the public relations team assigned to your unit: people act on their own perception of the facts before them, which leads to predictable behaviors about which something can be done. When we create, change or reinforce that opinion by reaching, persuading and moving-to-desired-action the very people whose behaviors affect the organization the most, the public relations mission is accomplished.

If you get agreement, you'll share a simple blueprint that gets everyone working towards the same external audience behaviors insuring that your public relations effort stays focused.

And there's no end to the possible benefits: capital givers or specifying sources beginning to look your way; prospects starting to do business with you; membership applications on the rise; customers making repeat purchases; community leaders beginning to seek you out; welcome bounces in show room visits; fresh proposals for strategic alliances and joint ventures; higher employee retention rates, and even politicians and legislators starting to view you as a key member of the business, non-profit or association communities.

But first, you need to find out who among your important outside audiences is behaving in ways that help or hinder the achievement of your objectives. And then, list them according to how severely their behaviors affect your organization.

Are you really certain as to HOW most members of that key outside audience perceive your organization? Since there's a good chance you don't have the budget to accommodate expensive professional survey work, you and your PR colleagues (they should be quite familiar with perception and behavior matters) must monitor those perceptions yourself.

Sit down with members of that outside audience and ask questions like "Are you familiar with our services or products?" "Have you ever had contact with anyone from our organization? Was it a satisfactory experience?" Stay alert to negative statements, especially evasive or hesitant replies. Watch carefully for false assumptions, untruths, misconceptions, inaccuracies and potentially damaging rumors. Any of which will need to be corrected, because experience shows they usually lead to negative behaviors.

Now, because the obvious objective here is to correct those same untruths, inaccuracies, misconceptions and false assumptions, you must select the specific perception to be altered which, in turn, becomes your public relations goal.

Unfortunately, a PR goal without a strategy to show you how to get there, is like Shrimp Lo Mein without the noodles. That's why you must select one of three strategies especially designed to create perception or opinion where there may be none, or change existing perception, or reinforce it. The challenge here (albeit small) is to insure that the goal and its strategy match each other. You wouldn't want to select "change existing perception" when current perception is just right suggesting a "reinforce" strategy.

Writing ability comes to the fore here as you create a compelling message carefully designed to alter your key target audience's perception, if called for by your public relations goal.

Here's a tip. Combining your corrective message with another news announcement or presentation may lend more credibility by downplaying the need for such a correction.

Be very clear about what perception needs clarification or correction, and why. Your facts must be truthful and your position must be logically explained and believable if it is to hold the attention of members of that target audience, and actually move perception in your direction. In other words, your message must be compelling.

You could call the communications tactics you will use to move your message to the attention of that key external audience, "beasts of burden" because they must carry your persuasive new thoughts to the eyes and ears of those important outside people.

Luckily, the list of tactics is extensive. It includes letters- to-the-editor, brochures, press releases and speeches. Or, you might select radio and newspaper interviews, personal contacts, facility tours or customer briefings. There are dozens in waiting and the only selection requirement is that the communications tactics you choose have a record of reaching people just like the members of your key target audience.

By the way, things can always be moved along at a faster clip by adding more communications tactics, AND by increasing their frequencies.

It won't be long before those around you will be asking if any progress is being made. By which time you already will be hard at work remonitoring perceptions among your target audience members. Using questions similar to those used during your earlier monitoring session, you'll now be on the lookout for indications that audience perceptions are beginning to move the way you want them to move.

The best way to satisfy your associates' curiosity is with the results you will receive when you undertake this aggressive public relations plan. In other words, targeting the kind of key stakeholder behavior change that leads directly to achieving your department, division or subsidiary objectives.


Please feel free to publish this article and resource box in your ezine, newsletter, offline publication or website. A copy would be appreciated at mailto:bobkelly@TNI.net. Word count is 1035 including guidelines and resource box. Robert A. Kelly Copyright 2004.)

About The Author

Bob Kelly counsels, writes and speaks to business, non-profit and association managers about using the fundamental premise of public relations to achieve their operating objectives. He has been DPR, Pepsi-Cola Co.; AGM-PR, Texaco Inc.; VP-PR, Olin Corp.; VP-PR, Newport News Shipbuilding & Drydock Co.; director of communi- cations, U.S. Department of the Interior, and deputy assistant press secretary, The White House. He holds a bachelor of science degree from Columbia University, major in public relations. mailto:bobkelly@TNI.net. Visit: http://www.prcommentary.com


Kathy Samaro 16.09.2012. 03:28

In my yahoo account under coversations im gettong wierd messages and idk were there coming from? I dont sent messages or dont understand why. Pr who it is

Kathy Samaro

Admin 16.09.2012. 03:28

Spammers have programs to invent random addresses to send these messages. Do NOT open or accept them.

Here?s how to block someone if they try to start a chat with you:
1. In the chat window that they opened, click Block Sender along the top. That?s it. If you want to block a contact who?s in your Messenger List, you?ll first have to remove them from your buddy list in the Yahoo! Messenger client. Write down their contact ID first so you'll remember it to block.
*** 2. To stop spam messages, in the Messenger window click Preferences then Ignore list. In the next window check 'Ignore anyone not on my friends list'. Click ok.

In the new mail version:
Click on Options at the top left hand of your mailbox, then Messenger Options ...
In Privacy, check the radio button "Block all users not in my Contacts List. I will not be able to send or receive messages from users not in my Contact List."
Now only your Contact list can message you.There is no similar method for the Classic mail version, unfortunately ...

To disable Messenger Chat in Yahoo! Mail:
1. In the top-left of new mail, click the arrow beside your name or in the Folders list in Classic mail, under Chat and Mobile Text beside the words 'I am ...', click the word - it will be either Available, Busy, or Invisible ...
2. From the menu that appears, select Sign out of Chat to disable chat from within Yahoo! Mail. Your Contacts list disappears and your chat status is set to Offline ...

Note: Yahoo! Mail saves your chat status when you leave Yahoo! Mail. When you return to Yahoo! Mail, it resumes the same status. If your last chat status was Offline, chat from Yahoo! Mail will be disabled. You?ll remain signed out of Yahoo! Chat until you re-activate it ...

Answers is a Jungle


Edgar Velazquez 14.07.2012. 11:21

Im torn between the two, which one should i get? Now Ive been saving up money for a while, and there's a couple of things i want, i don't want both, but the better one. It's between the Amazon Kindle Fire or the Nintendo 3ds. Any suggestions? Feel free to recommend different things.

Edgar Velazquez

Admin 14.07.2012. 11:21

My suggestion would be Kindle fire.. If you see it from my point of view I feel that Kindle fire would be the best bang for buck:

- 1Ghz dual core processor
- 7" screen with 1024*600 pixels@169ppi
- Android OS 2.3.3 with customized UI is very user friendly
- You can watch movies and tv shows from amazon instant video
- 1 Month free amazon prime membership
- Over 26K apps
- Games like temple run, amazing spiderman, where's my water etc are more addictive.

Here is a fine review on Kindle fire, should help you out on this decision:


Kindle fire costs just a bit more but you would definitely find it as the best bang for buck:


We can not ignore the fact that 3ds has a 3.5" screen which is considerably smaller than Kindle fire but it does have the keys which would make gaming easier for you.

So if you prefer going for the 3Ds, you would be able to find it here:



Ha?d wo?king guy 21.03.2008. 09:46

What ever happened to the Yahoo answers staff? When I first started on here, they used to be everywhere! Now I don't see them at all!

Ha?d wo?king guy

Admin 21.03.2008. 09:46

They actually became a liability to the website. Between the outright whoppers they printed to not answering the questions people actually asked, they were making Yahoo look bad. They have blacklisted good users from the suggestion board, they have let the site become buggy, they have ignored obvious chances at improvement, and bottom line, they have no PR skills. Some of it rises out of the Yahoo Legal department handcuffing their speech, but that is a minor part. Don't expect it to get any better until Yahoo puts the correct person in charge of YA, which is what it would take to make it work.


Mary p 21.04.2007. 20:55

How do I get more traffic on www.mastiffs360.com? I have 2 search engines on the site, and lots of tags, but I want more traffic. How do I get traffic without spending a lot of money.

Mary p

Admin 21.04.2007. 20:55

You have keywords, but you don't have the title tag -- which is the most important tag. Keywords are being ignored by search engines such as Google, but they look at the title and description tag, which are the more important tags and which you don't have both.

Getting traffic is a combination of a lot of things. The key to success is to create great content that visitors want to use, search engines will love and other websites will naturally link to. Of course, it's easier said than done.

You can use pay per click advertising in the search engines to reach audiences looking for your products. You can use Google Adwords http://www.google.com/adwords or Yahoo http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com

Here are some shoestring marketing ideas that can help you get the visitors you need at the least cost possible:

1. Create the best content you can with the best products you can possibly offer. Your content is your best advertisement - if visitors love your content, then they will go back and spread the word to others.

2. Make it easy for users to recommend your site. Viral marketing is very important -- and easy to tap on the Web. But give your users the tools. Get a Recommend this Site script from websites such as cgiscripts.com and similar directories of scripts. Some even go as far as giving incentives to those who recommend the site to their friends. If only 10 people go to your site, but these 10 people invite 10 more - that's additional traffic that you get for FREE!

Recommend Site Scripts (various) http://php.resourceindex.com/Complete_Scripts/Website_Promotion/Recommend_Site/
Big Nose Bird Recommend this Site http://bignosebird.com/carchive/birdcast.shtml
CGI Resource Index http://cgi.resourceindex.com/Programs_and_Scripts/Perl/Website_Promotion/Recommend_Site/
Hostscripts http://www.hotscripts.com/PHP/Scripts_and_Programs/Site_Recommendation/index.html

3. Rank well in the search engines (organic search results, not the pay per click). SEs can be a big source of traffic. The key is to create the best content in your niche. If you have good content, other websites will gladly link to you and offer your site as a resource to their audience. Check the on-page factors and be sure to get linked from authority sites in your topic area.

If you are going to read only one piece on search engine optimization, I suggest you read Brett Tabke of WebmasterWorld.com's "Successful Site in 12 Months with Google Alone: 26 steps to 15k a day." http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/2010.htm

4. Send out press releases. While outfits charge as much as $650 per release, there are free press release submission places on the Web. Press releases allow you to (a) attract media attention; (b) get more back links to your website without sending each website an email request; and (c) get more visibility especially if your press release gets in Google News or Yahoo News.


5. Submit articles. Write articles and submit them to websites accepting author submissions. You get exposure for your business; establishes you as an authority in your field, and allows you to get backlinks for your website. If 50 websites publish your article and it contains a link back to your website, then you easily get 50 links from a single article. The more links you have, the greater your chances for increasing your search engine rankings.

Here is a comprehensive list of where to submit your articles http://answers.yahoo.com/question/;_ylt=AhzreGmnCUicOoyedqypscUjzKIX?qid=1006022407481

6. Post a link to your site for free where it is allowed (always read the Terms of Use). Examples are:

Craigslist http://www.craigslist.com
Google Base http://base.google.com
Classifieds for Free http://www.classifiedsforfree.com/...
Text Link Exchange http://www.txtswap.com/
Recycler.com http://www.recycler.com/
Yahoo Classifieds http://classifieds.yahoo.com/
US Free Ads http://www.usfreeads.com/


mahmoud 28.05.2009. 21:39

You have been signed out of Chat. If you want to sign in again, please join a room what i can do to solve pr? You have been signed out of Chat. If you want to sign in again, please join a room
what i can do to solve my problem

and some body have hack program to signed out Eney User and make me ignore my selfe errorr


Admin 28.05.2009. 21:39

If you have the New Yahoo Mail with chat and the desktop Yahoo Messenger, you cannot be signed in to both.

When Yahoo detects that you?re already signed into Yahoo Mail with chat and you sign in to your Yahoo Messenger on your desktop, Yahoo will disconnect you. That?s why you get that message that you are signed in to another computer.

You must disable chat in your Yahoo Mail if you want to use your desktop Yahoo Messenger, by doing the following:

See the smiley face next to your user name at the top of the mail page? Click it ? then click Sign out of chat. (If you never signed in, the face is gray and sleeping...meaning you're already signed out/disabled.)

Since Yahoo! Mail remembers your settings from session to session, you'll be signed out of chat until you change it.


Hsiaoshuang 07.09.2011. 10:31

After CEO Carol Bartz was fired, what's the new direction for Yahoo? All the approaches and strategies that Carol Bartz tried as CEO were not enough to boost Yahoo's revenues. What new directions should the new CEO take?


Admin 07.09.2011. 10:31

The problem with Yahoo is that they ignore their millions of users which leads to bad PR. They can easily fix that problem by:

- Being more open with members about Yahoo!'s plans (notice the BOD did not disclose why Carol Bartz was fired and who will replace her).

- Stop shutting down popular services like Geocities, Yahoo! 360, etc. - this only saves pennies for Yahoo while angering users who have grown dependent on the service

- Stop tweaking the formula in products such as yMail and yGroups. Lots of members do not want the changes being forced on them - they are used to and happy with what they have and do not want to change.

- Have Tim Morse the interim CEO of Yahoo! join Yahoo! Answers


ms.pinkyboo 08.03.2006. 20:46

how can you find out if someone is using surveillance spyware on your computer or using it against your email? Array


Admin 08.03.2006. 20:46

The general answer is to run both anti-virus and anti-spyware sfotware on your machine. But there are some issues with this simple advice.

One problem is that new malware turns up often, so your anti-virus software should be updated frequently (weekly is the usual recommendation). BUT, some anti-virus makers have decided that some kinds of unwanted software aren't really viruses, and so shouldn't be flagged as malware, removed, or deleted. This is the reason the spyware detection programs came to be; the anti-virus programs weren't announcing their presence or removing them. Since spyware is so varied, none of the spyware programs seem to catch them all. So it makes good sense to run more than one. Fortunately, there are many different spyware programs, several of them free.

Recent events have demonstrated that this business model has its troubles. A couple of years ago, Sony-BMG decided to protect some of its music CDs by putting some software on the CDs which infects Windows computers when the CD is played on a Windows computer. It did so silently and was supposed to thwart pirates attempting to copy the music tracks. But it also allowed anyone to take over the computer / operating system without significant effort. It was a rootkit, making the Sony music CDs themselves Trojan Horse malware, and possibly the most extensively installed one in history. Several of the anti-virus producers have explained that they noticed this DRM rootkit, but didn't add the Sony rootkit to their malware lists. So for a year or so their customers' computers (and all the data on them -- business, personal, confidential, ...) were left dangerously exposed to the malicious by something many anti-virus folks knew of and chose to stay silent about. F-secure, to its credit, immediately added the Sony rootkit to the list of malware it detected and reported the day after they learned of it. Most others treated it as a PR problem for some time after the Sony rootkit issue became public knowledge.

So doing the recommended thing may not actually remove all the surveillance software that might be on your machine. The programs you rely on to detect and remove such things may be knowingly ignoring some. The most certain solution is to reinstall the operating system and all application programs from media known to be free of malware.

Which, of course, raises the obvious question -- how can one know this or that media copy is free of viruses, Trojan Horses, surveillance software, etc? The answer: it's not possible. For instance, a few years ago, millions of copies of Microsoft Windows CDs for Korea were infected at the factory with a virus. What has been thought to be the very first virus was a Merry Christmas greeting hidden on many thousands of official product distribution floppies distributed by Apple many years ago.

It's not an easy to solve problem. It may be that changing your operating system is a reasonable approach. Take Linux, for instance. It has had far fewer problems with viruses and other malware throughout its 15 year history. Part of this is probably because there are fewer installed Linux systems. But part of it is that Linux is based closely on Unix (from Bell Labs) which was itself designed from the beginning as a multi-user and multi-tasking system and so to protect users (and their files) from all others. This is inherent in the operating system, the file system, process accounting, access control, etc.

Windows was developed from the quite different 'one computer on every desktop" perspective; it was assumed that each computer would have only one operator, no sharing. Not very realistic in the actual world of real businesses and families. With the development of Windows NT (2000 is actually NT v 5), MS tried hard to make NT (which could be a fully multi-user operating system akin to Unix in principle) work as much as possible like preceeding single-user Windows versions. There have been difficulties. And MS has made some design decisions which are themselves security problems. The intent was to provide features the user might want, but the design has been defective (from a security perspective) in several cases. Add to that the usual implementation errors (ie, bugs) of which MS has had at least its share.


Raven E 06.08.2006. 18:56

Are all the main stream media pulling this stunt? Reuters admits altering Beirut photo

Reuters withdraws photograph of Beirut after Air Force attack after US blogs, photographers point out 'blatant evidence of manipulation.' Reuters' head of PR says in response, 'Reuters has suspended photographer until investigations are completed into changes made to photograph.' Photographer who sent altered image is same Reuters photographer behind many of images from Qana, which have also been subject of suspicions for being staged
Yaakov Lappin

A Reuters photograph of smoke rising from buildings in Beirut has been withdrawn after coming under attack by American web logs. The blogs accused Reuters of distorting the photograph to include more smoke and damage.

The photograph showed two very heavy plumes of black smoke billowing from buildings in Beirut after an Air Force attack on the Lebanese capital. Reuters has since withdrawn the photograph from its website, along a message admitting that the image was distorted, and an apology to editors.

Reuters withdraws doctored image

In the message, Reuters said that "photo editing software was improperly used on this image. A corrected version will immediately follow this advisory. We are sorry for any inconvience."

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Reuters' head of PR Moira Whittle said in response: "Reuters has suspended a photographer until investigations are completed into changes made to a photograph showing smoke billowing from buildings following an air strike on Beirut. Reuters takes such matters extremely seriously as it is strictly against company editorial policy to alter pictures."

"As soon as the allegation came to light, the photograph, filed on Saturday 5 August, was removed from the file and a replacement, showing the same scene, was sent. The explanation for the removal was the improper use of photo-editing software," she added.

Earlier, Charles Johnson, of the Little Green Footballs blog , which has exposed a previous attempt at fraud by a major American news corporation, wrote : "This Reuters photograph shows blatant evidence of manipulation. Notice the repeating patterns in the smoke; this is almost certainly caused by using the Photoshop ?clone? tool to add more smoke to the image."

News version of photo (Photo: Reuters)

Johnson added: "Smoke simply does not contain repeating symmetrical patterns like this, and you can see the repetition in both plumes of smoke. There?s really no question about it."

A series of close ups are then posted on the blog, showing that "it?s not only the plumes of smoke that were 'enhanced.' There are also cloned buildings." The close ups do appear to show exact replicas of buildings appearing next to one another in the photograph.

The Sports Shooter web forum , used by professional photographers, also examined the photo, with many users concluding that the image has been doctored.
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'Looks so obviously doctored'

"I'll second the cloned smoke...but it looks so obvious that I don't know how the photographer could have gotten away with it," wrote one user.

After further research, Johnson posted a photograph he says is the original image taken before distortions were made, showing much lighter smoke rising.

Adnan Hajj, the photographer who sent the altered image, was also the Reuters photographer behind many of the images from Qana ? which have also been the subject of suspicions for being staged.

Other blogs have also analyzed the photographs, and reached similar conclusions, such as Left & Right , which states: "The photo has been doctored, quite badly."

The author of the Ace of Spades blog wrote: "Even I can see the very suspicious "clonings" of picture elements here. And I'm an idiot."

The Hot Air blog also looked at the photo, describing the image as "the worst Photoshop I have ever seen."

First Published: 08.06.06, 10:41
Latest Update: 08.06.06, 17:1

Raven E

Admin 06.08.2006. 18:56

This certainly isn't the first time "news" organizations such as Reuters have done this sort of thing.


Josh 08.02.2013. 13:46

Dumbbell bench press question? Help!? Ok so here is the story... I've been working out for a year or two and only started doing dumbbell bench press about 4 months ago. My personal record was benching the 22kg dumbbells because I never went heavier than that because I couldn't get them into position! One day I decided I'd try do the 30kg dumbbells without even warming up and I nearly dropped one on my head (I know it was incredibly stupid). So that put me off going heavy... Anyway today I thought I'd give it another shot... I warmed up and jumped from 22kg dumbbells to the 30s... It took me a lot of effort just to get them up on my knees, then someone was watching me who regularly see's me at the gym so he knew I'd never attempted this (from what he's seen). I was kind of scared since I had no spotter and this was incredibly heavy for me. I tried to get them into position for the lift and failed which was embarassing... THEN I used momentum and got them into position and did 9 reps with the weight?! The weight itself isn't that heavy once in position but my forearms are pretty skinny so it's really difficult getting them into position. I reckon I could do the 34s if I got help with getting them into position. So.,. I jumped from a PR of 22kg to 30kg in one workout, my chest had a HUGE pump which I've never seen before and I felt great. But my forearms kind of hurt a bit when trying to get the dumbbells into position. What do I do here? Should I keep trying to go heavy like this or go back to lower weights? I want to gain mass but the problem is some parts of my body are stronger than others.
Fitology - I have no idea why you'd assume I train no other body parts apart from my chest... I said I've been working out for 2 years, obviously I haven't just been training my chest. I train all my body parts equally... I just have weak forearms so obviously I'll need to do some isolation exercises on them even though I've been told to only go for the compound exercises. And it may seem stupid that I struggled to get the weight up and once nearly injured myself trying to do it... But free weights offer a lot more than a smith machine would... I don't have a bench in my gym so I do free weights. Maybe it's my technique in trying to get the weight up which one of the main problems. But like I said... once I was in position the weights were easy to bench press. Don't make dumb assumptions please.


Admin 08.02.2013. 13:46

Your 'incredibly stupid' mistake is really the desire to 'butch up' on your bench press (or chest development) WITHOUT the necessary strength in the rest of your physique to back that capability up.

Don't 'go back to lighter weights'. Train each bodypart with a weight that is appropriate for its ability. The gym doesn't only have dumbells. You can train your chest with a Bench-Press machine; its handles are always in the 'ready' position. But you have probably been told that free-weight work is 'superior' in some way to using machines. Now you have found out what that means.

The same people who are willing to mock other gym-users for 'wimping out' onto the machines, are just as keen to laugh at you for being unprepared for your chosen free-weight lift, AND for training some bodyparts in this way while ignoring others.

Work on your whole physique, using machines, bodyweight exercises, pilates, swimming and Martial Arts as appropriate, so that you can prepare it for the full-body work that it needs to do in order to get a freeweight into its 'ready' position.


killer peaches bored tyrant 02.10.2008. 13:51

What Genre has the Most Close-Minded Fans? Most Open? You might be surprised.? has some interesting notes form a journalists perspective.

"I think it's really sad, because at the grassroots level, as indie and hip hop devolve, metal evolves. If you want to see the most open-minded, most integrated, most accepting audiences in the world, go to a metal gig -- especially in the UK. It's a lot more diverse and open-minded than an indie crowd. But sometimes I don't think some of the PR people are up to speed on this, and they're still acting a bit like (manager) Peter Grant from Led Zeppelin or whatever. There's just too much machismo, do you know what I mean?"

While there are snobs and elitists in ALL genres... it is interesting that Aside from the far end of the Extreme Metal crowd... Metal heads tend to be the most embracing...since we have always been outcasts ourselves.

MQ- What is your favorite Genre of Music and favorite Band in that Genre?

BQ (easy one) What is Mine?

killer peaches bored tyrant

Admin 02.10.2008. 13:51

Ben, read all of my answer, don't ignore it <.<

I can't identify what genre has the most closeminded fans...because I find them within every genre. I find that alot of top40 listeners close out ANYTHING that is older than 5 years, has screaming of any kind, and if the band isn't up to par on the "cuteness" factor. but top 40 isn't a genre...so I can't say that. I could say pop rock, but I wouldn't want to generalize all the pop rock fans (I am a fan myself) when the only pop rock fans I know are top 40 listeners (and Jake of course)...so I would need more coverage to see for myself.

Now, judging from this forum...I say classic rock has many close minded people. I have seen users here go to a metal question and say "cookie monsters vocals! ahhhh!!!! cookie monster vocals suck just in case you didn't catch mah drift" and then have the nerve to say The Beatles are way better. that's their opinion, music is subjective. But the thing is, they don't give the song a try. If you have it set and firm in your head that you won't like it, then you will hear exactly what you don't like. but if they could just have their ears open for ONE TIME...and actually listen, then I wouldn't feel so irritated about them not liking it. but alot of classic rock fans don't wanna give it a chance because it isn't CLASSIC ROCK.

Also, classic rock fans tend to think nothing good has been made since the 80s or something. All my music is from 2000+....there's the occasional song or band that's from the 90s but who cares...it's music and it's GOOD. get that through your heads people.

I know alot of people wanna say metalheads are the most close minded...but I'm gonna be honest, it must be half in half. I haven't met too many close minded metalheads....I know a couple on here...people here that like metal, you can't say they are elitist just because it seems like they don't listen to anything else...which I think some people here mistake for "metal elitist" because they seem to not like anything else. I remember STW mentioning it once. He said he likes metal and that's about all...not that he won't give anything else a chance, but that metal is just his taste and nothing else fits it. so yeah.., be careful not to mistake that for "metal elitist"
there are couple people on this forum that for some reason think if it's not loud and brutal it's not good...and if it isn't metal it isn't good....like instead of saying "it's not my taste"...they call it crap. (which it isn't) <.<

AND I think I am leaning towards more of the side that metalheads are the most openminded to be honest. I have found plenty of metal bands that like bands that aren't metal. I found a black metal band that loves Pink Floyd and The Beatles, and I think U2. so yeah..it just seems to be there is way more of them liking other forms of music besides just metal.
let me add this in there *I found out Norther loves Michael Jackson* hahaha =P

MQ: Melodic Death Metal and my favorite band is Norther lol

BQ: Your favorite band is Iron Maiden...and your favorite genre, well you have 2. It's Symphonic Power Metal and I don't remember the other one =S


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